EASA | Comment Response Tool |
Title | Authority and Organisation Requirements - Organisation Requirements |
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NPA Number | NPA 2008-22c |
Cmt# | Segment description | Page | Comment | Attachments |
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1064 | B. Draft Rules - III. Draft Opinion Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 1 - OR.GEN.001 Competent authority | 4 |
OR.GEN.001 The use of the terminology ‘place of business’ indicates that these rules are written from a commercial perspective. Although gliding federations and their clubs operate using appropriate commercial acumen and good practice in order to exist and thrive, they do not operate as for-profit commercial operations but rather organise activities for their members on a not-for-profit basis. The key distinction is that any financial surpluses in members' clubs are not distributed to 'owners' but are re-invested in the development of the club for members' benefit. Proposal.
Change the wording “business” to “activity”. |
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1066 | B. Draft Rules - III. Draft Opinion Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 1 - OR.GEN.010 Definitions | 4 - 5 |
OR.GEN.010 Only definitions in
relation with FSTD are mentioned. Proposal. All possible and
necessary definitions used in this Part OR are provided here. In addition,
a precise and justified description of “small” and “other”
organisations should be provided. The terminology “employed” is generally not applicable to air sport organisations as the activity is carried out by their members who are almost exclusively volunteers including instructors and examiners. Some very large clubs employ a few staff members to support the voluntary activities of the members, but without commercial goals. |
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1069 | B. Draft Rules - III. Draft Opinion Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 1 - OR.GEN.015 Application | 5 |
OR.GEN.015 "The form and
manner of application for an approval will be set by the
CA." Proposal. The application should be guided by clear EU requirements to ensure that CAs do not add requirements to those required by the rules.
This is to ensure that the so-often quoted "level playing field" is not endangered by NAAs, ending up with (again) 27 different systems, such as is becoming evident with Part M! |
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1072 | B. Draft Rules - III. Draft Opinion Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 2 - OR.GEN.200 Management system | 7 |
OR.GEN.200 Management
system: (b) It is identified here that
the MS shall correspond to the size, nature and complexity of the
activities and the possible hazards/risks inherent in these
activities. This principle is challenged throughout this NPA. Many of the proposed requirements will be impossible to implement in a gliding or air sport volunteer club environment. The list of requirements is far too prescriptive and pays little recognition to the in-built safety-conscious culture of gliding clubs without having to fill in long daily check lists. The days are not long enough nor the number of people available and willing to do all this support activity! The proposed SMS would be a challenge for any large commerical operation, but for gliding clubs it would be "the straw that breaks the camel's back."
Proposal: A set of appropriate requirements dedicated to air sport clubs/organisations, to be developed between EGU and EASA during the next review stage. |
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1076 | B. Draft Rules - III. Draft Opinion Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 2 - OR.GEN.210 Personnel requirements | 7 |
OR.GEN.210
Personnel requirements In reference to OR.
GEN.200(b) the requirements must fit with the nature of the
organisation. Again, there exists a big difference in the structure and the way the management is done in a commercial company and non-profit air sport clubs/organisations. Nominating an “Accountable
Manager” in a club/federation environment can be difficult where the
elected board or club governing committee members share the
associated responsibilities under national law, which have different
requirements within a number of member states. |
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1077 | B. Draft Rules - III. Draft Opinion Part-OR - Subpart ATO - Section 1 - OR.ATO.005 Scope | 9 |
OR.ATO.005
Scope This article describes a
number of different types of training, but no differentiation is made in
regard of commercially organised training (where training is a business
goal of the company) against a not-for-profit organisation where training
is provided by and on behalf of the members without any commercial
goal. Proposal. There is a
need to make a clear distinction between commercial and not-for-profit
organisations. The legal status of the organisation may be the determining
factor. |
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1099 | B. Draft Rules - III. Draft Opinion Part-OR - Subpart ATO - Section 1 - OR.ATO.005 Scope | 9 |
General remark and
proposal As this document relating
to ATOs is written from the commercial training viewpoint, the EGU
proposes to create an alternative type of ATO: a "not-for-profit ATO" with
relevant and proportional requirements. This indicates that the
following structure is required: 1. Commercial ATO It is up to these organisations whether if it necessary to make a distinction between “small” and “other”. 2. Not-for-profit
ATO For all the air sport clubs/federations educating and training their members in their chosen sport and, further, the work is done primarily by the members-volunteers.
Proposal: The EGU is prepared to work
with the Agency to develop not-for-profit ATO requirements relevant to and
acceptable to EASA and the sport of gliding across all member
states. |
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1079 | B. Draft Rules - III. Draft Opinion Part-OR - Subpart ATO - Section 1 - OR.ATO.010 Legal entity and financial resources | 9 |
OR.ATO. 010
Financial resources In item (b), the ATO is
requested to prove its financial status. In an air sports club/federation
environment this request is irrelevant. Of course clubs/federations
need adequate financial management but this is built up from a completely
different approach than that required in a commercial organisation. Air
sports club members fund the planned activities of the
club/federation.
The Agency should not be concerned with 'consumer protection' through economic regulation as it is not within the scope of the Agency. Requiring financial resources to be adequate and verified for an ATO can only be interpreted as a 'consumer protection' measure, and is therefore unacceptable, particularly in the gliding and air sports worlds.
Proposal: Delete this requirement.
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1082 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart GEN | 23 |
General remark: Most AMC/GM contradicts OR.GEN.200(b) where it is stated that systems/requirements will correspond to the size, nature and complexity of the activities. We propose to make a set of rules / requirements appropriate and dedicated to air sports. |
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1084 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 2 - AMC to OR.GEN.200(a)(1) Management System | 24 |
AMC OR.GEN.200 (a) (1)
Management system In the club
environment it is not necessary to have a formal management / senior
management structure. The existing structures
fulfil all needs, including a proportional level of safety
management. |
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1086 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 2 - AMC 2 to OR.GEN.200(a)(2) Management System | 24 - 25 |
The proposals are
disproportionate. As no formal definition of a “small” organisation
exists, all related items should be reviewed. |
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1087 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 2 - AMC 1 to OR.GEN.200(a)(3) Management System | 25 - 26 |
The proposals are
disproportionate. As no formal definition of a “small” organisation
exists, all related items should be reviewed.
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1088 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 2 - AMC 1 to OR.GEN.200(a)(4) Management System | 28 |
The proposals are
disproportionate. As no formal definition of a “small” organisation
exists, all related items should be reviewed. |
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1089 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 2 - AMC 1 to OR.GEN.200(a)(7) Management System | 29 - 31 |
The proposals are
disproportionate. As no formal definition of a “small” organisation
exists, all related items should be reviewed. |
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1090 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart GEN - Section 2 - AMC to OR.GEN.200(b) Management System - ATO | 36 |
AMC OR.GEN.200 (b) – Size,
nature and complexity of the activity In this AMC a partial
definition of a “small” organisation is provided. The wording “employed”
is used - again indicating a commercial approach. In a gliding club, training
is given by almost exclusively volunteer instructors. It is highly
inappropriate to describe their activities as “employment”. In some member
states there are significant legal implications by doing
so. There exist some large
clubs that employ full time staff mainly in supporting administrative and
other roles. This employment covers the whole activity of the club (doing
also other tasks than giving instruction) and the activity is carried out
without a commercial goal. Those clubs comply with the legal
status in a natioanl context. In a club or federation
environment, a figure of “20” has no logic (it is an arbitary number) as
these instructors are volunteers taking part in the club activities in
their own recreational time, for example during weekends or during
holidays. So a large club can count, for example, 40 instructors with each
of them providing differing but small proportions of their available
recreational time over the whole year. The same argument applies
to the “FTE” or full time equivalent. This makes no sense in the volunteer
environment. |
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1091 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart ATO - Section 1 - AMC to OR.ATO.010(b) Legal entity and financial resources | 39 - 40 |
AMC OR.ATO.010
(b) Legal & financial resources All requirements in regard to the financial situation of an ATO are clearly written with commercial organisations in mind. In a club or federation environment these requirements are simply not possible, nor appropriate. Proposal. Delete these items where related to not-for-profit organisations. Please see our
comment under OR.ATO.010.
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1094 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart ATO - Section 1 - AMC to OR.ATO.015 Application | 41 |
AMC to OR.ATO.015
Application The sailplane market is constantly developing. Sailplanes move constantly between clubs and between member states either through sale, new purchase or inter-club loan arrangements. There is no known reason why the approval would need to list the registration of aircraft used by the ATO. There is no safety case presented for this bureaucratic requirement, which would simply provide the NAAs with an excuse to charge money for every notifiable change to the glider fleet in an ATO. The gliders used in a training organisation are subject to EASA Part 21 and Part M rules; there is no need for additional bureaucracy in Part ATO. Proposal. Remove
the requirement to list the registrations of aircraft used by the
ATO. |
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1097 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart ATO - Section 1 - AMC to OR.ATO.135 Aerodromes | 48 |
AMC
OR.ATO.135
Aerodromes Once again this is written
for commercial training organisations. The requirement under item d) to have an air traffic control service is disproportionate, unnecessary and economically and operationally impossible in the a vast majority of cases in gliding. Most of the airfields from which gliding takes place are outside controlled airspace and outside the control of ATC is most EU countries. Most air sports activities, including gliding, take place on non-procedural aerodromes and other operating surfaces.
Further, the recent EU political decisions as regards the extension of EASA competence to aerodromes has removed most gliding aerodromes / airfields from this proposed extension. Therefore, the ATO proposed rules should not include any reference to ATC facilties for glider training airfields or operations.
If the proposed rules for ATC are sustained by EASA in its Opinion then the economic impact on gliding clubs will be so severe as to make glider training uneconomic if not in many cases terminal, as the cost of providing such services would be totally disproportionate and in fact unworkable for the nature of gliding operations. Proposal. Delete this
requirement.
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1098 | B. Draft Rules - IV. Draft Decision Part-OR - Subpart ATO - Section 1 - AMC to OR.ATO.135 Aerodromes | 48 |
For
glider towing: The
requirement 1.a.(ii) is not practical for towing on small gliding
airfields.
Further, the recent EU political decisions as regards the extension of EASA competence to aerodromes has removed most gliding aerodromes / airfields from this proposed extension. Therefore, the ATO proposed rules should not include any reference to aerodrome features for glider training airfields. Proposal:
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